Trackback Added: The Web 2.0 Trinity: People, Data, and Great Software; I've still been absorbing all the terrific brainstorming that came out of SPARK last weekend. One of the key bits that was agreed upon by all almost immediately was the utter centrality of the user. I've been big believe of this since ear

Trackback Added: The Web 2.0 Trinity: People, Data, and Great Software; I've still been absorbing all the terrific brainstorming that came out of SPARK last weekend. One of the key bits that was agreed upon by all almost immediately was the utter centrality of the user. I've been big believe of this since ear

I sense a bit of hostility. Tough room. It's like watching Java programmer do comedy at a sysadmin convention.

In the good old days, the techincal people designed the web, and they built it.
Now, it will probably be the marketing and commercial people who will drive the design of the next generation 'web'.

The thing that worries me is that the people who write viruses, worms, spyware etc are *so* much more technically savy than the kind of people who are going to drive the next generation systems. Those guys & girls are going to have a field day.

Oh, I had really hoped that the one upside of the bubble bursting would be that people would finally see the leveraged synergistics of empowered, paradigm-shifting, buzzword groupthink, as the load of con-man fast talk it really is.

My rectum gets all in a bunch at the very concept that these out-of-the-box, emergent asshats will be once again squaring off for the mindshare of our collective intelligence, so that they can capture eyeballs to secure a solid ROI in their VC funding!

You know, you would think that after losing tons of money in the last dotcom bust, people would figure out that if you have to make up words to describe your idea, it probably isn't a very good one. It is funny to me how the most successful businesses out of the last buzzword feeding frenzy had descriptions like "You use it to find information" or "it is an auction, on the computer" or "you pay to see nude women, on the computer" or "you buy things, and they are shipped to you."

But no, now we have Web 2.0, and all the English mangling, linguistically garbage spewing, criminal bottom feeders who missed out on their last chance to bilk investors out of millions of dollars, will have another shot at it! And all the rest of us will have to hear all over again how we just "don't get it" because we lack the vision to see the future. Oh joy!

Yes my heads starts to spin when I read this stuff. My bullshit detectors go off too. But if someone with bags of money decides to start a dotcom 2.0 company in San Francisco and pay me $120,000 per year to go slap together a few applications, I'll pretend I believe.

I feel like I am reading Wired or Mondo 2000 circa 1997 when I read about Web 2.0.

Honestly, though, what novel and useful things have happened lately? The only thing I can think of is the potential that SVG (vector graphics) in mozilla offers. RSS, blogs, myspace, and most everything else I can think of just isn't exciting. VoIP has some potential. Wifi has done a lot, but I wonder if the rate of improvement in it will slacken. What else is there?

I think I'll stay with good old Internet (Web 1.3.55.89) for now, thanks.

Yes my heads starts to spin when I read this stuff. My bullshit detectors go off too. But if someone with bags of money decides to start a dotcom 2.0 company in San Francisco and pay me $120,000 per year to go slap together a few applications, I'll pretend I believe.

I feel like I am reading Wired or Mondo 2000 circa 1997 when I read about Web 2.0.

Honestly, though, what novel and useful things have happened lately? The only thing I can think of is the potential that SVG (vector graphics) in mozilla offers. RSS, blogs, myspace, and most everything else I can think of just isn't exciting. VoIP has some potential. Wifi has done a lot, but I wonder if the rate of improvement in it will slacken. What else is there?

I think I'll stay with good old Internet (Web 1.3.55.89) for now, thanks.

Everyone wants to be funding the next Google and is going to be suckered with this Web 2.0.

Hopefully it won't happen but this whole buzz stinks of another bubble beginning to expand quickly, sucking the whole industry into it before finally exploding with a lot of people holding a turkey at the end of it.

The technology and social aspects have their uses, but it's more evolutionary than revolutionary and should be used as such.

Web 1.0 - Documents
Web 1.5 - Documents + Web Applications that pretend to be documents
Web 2.0 - Documents + Web applications acting like the interactive applications they are

Web applications are now free from the "static document" paradigm that previous chained them down. The web is no longer pretending to be static. That's not to say Web 2.0 is "mature" by any means, but the groundwork as certainly been laid.

BTW - There are a bunch of concepts and methods here that truly are revolutionary. The more I use it and understand what it means, the more I think Web 2.0 is not a bad name, and may even be justified.

-Pete

Dion Hinchcliffe's SOA Blog: Five Reasons Why Web 2.0 Matters. Most of us know that the technology industry and the Web are often far out ahead of the mainstream. The fact is that the general public is still struggling with blogs and wikis, much less full blown architectures of participation and software as a service (to name just two aspects of Web 2.0). Not sure about this? Try sampling a few people at random and ask them what a blog is. You will probably be surprised with the answers. Nevertheless, I'm extremely sanguine about Web 2.0 and where it's headed (notwithstanding Bubble 2.0 type events like the RSS Fund assembling a massive $100 million warchest and using it with questionable judgement.)

Dion Hinchcliffe's SOA Blog: Five Reasons Why Web 2.0 Matters. Most of us know that the technology industry and the Web are often far out ahead of the mainstream. The fact is that the general public is still struggling with blogs and wikis, much less full blown architectures of participation and software as a service (to name just two aspects of Web 2.0). Not sure about this? Try sampling a few people at random and ask them what a blog is. You will probably be surprised with the answers. Nevertheless, I'm extremely sanguine about Web 2.0 and where it's headed (notwithstanding Bubble 2.0 type events like the RSS Fund assembling a massive $100 million warchest and using it with questionable judgement.)

Dion Hinchcliffe's SOA Blog: Five Reasons Why Web 2.0 Matters. Most of us know that the technology industry and the Web are often far out ahead of the mainstream. The fact is that the general public is still struggling with blogs and wikis, much less full blown architectures of participation and software as a service (to name just two aspects of Web 2.0). Not sure about this? Try sampling a few people at random and ask them what a blog is. You will probably be surprised with the answers. Nevertheless, I'm extremely sanguine about Web 2.0 and where it's headed (notwithstanding Bubble 2.0 type events like the RSS Fund assembling a massive $100 million warchest and using it with questionable judgement.)